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Accepting necks for epoxy mods on a limited basis at this time. Updated March 2023:
Four string fretless necks sending neck only: $600; sending whole bass w/ setup: $800 Four string fretted necks sending neck only: $700; sending whole bass w/ setup: $900Issues that arise upon examination may incur extra charges.
*A setup includes restringing, intonation, truss rod, saddle height, pickup height, lube tuners and saddles, clean electronics and check for loose parts. Electronic rework and customization is available.
NOTE: PRICING SUBJECT TO CHANGE AT ANY TIME.
HOW IS THIS EPOXY DONE AND WHAT BRAND DO I USE? I get asked this often. Officially I must remain silent on this issue. It is very easy to badly damage a bass with both tooling and epoxy, and working with chemicals can be dangerous to your health. Either of those issues are very good reasons to distance myself from any responsibility that may result from offering advice. There are a number of processes and unusual pricey tooling that are employed that would challenge an experienced luthier let alone a do-it-yourself-er, and it has taken me many years to perfect this process. Sorry! :-)
Special Notes :
To determine if your fretted neck is a good candidate for a fretless conversion, flex the neck when the strings are off. If you can flex it easily visible to the naked eye, it may not be strong enough to provide stability as a fretless with close action. An unstrung neck with no truss rod tension should be fairly straight. I can level out necks to a certain degree. Check to see if there is any twist along the length. Rosewood or darker fretboards make the best conversions. Some harder woods such as ebony, pau ferro and wenge, as well as older and poorly refretted necks, tend to chip out a bit more easily when frets are removed. I do my best and they will be good looking after fillers are applied, but additional labor charges may apply.
Synthetic fretboards such as Steinberger or Modulus Graphite are NOT suitable for my epoxy process. String Nuts: In order to surface the epoxy properly, the nut must be removed. I do my best, but often groove mounted nuts (Fender style) will not come out without breaking, and is difficult on already fretless basses because the nut material in the groove is so thin. Years of aging glue, use of the wrong glue, and finish may refuse to allow it to release despite my gentle coaxing. I install new bone nuts and accurately shape them to replace and improve upon the old one. This service is around $44 for 4-strings, $55 for 5 strings, and $66+ for 6 or more strings. Graph Tech, Tusq, Delrin, plastic and Corian are also available if you wish. Any factory fretless nut that comes out whole can be reused with a shim under it to accomodate the higher epoxy. Here are samples of a new custom made bone nut in bleached and natural:
There may be minute micro craters visible on the finished surface due to tiny embedded bubbles. These are very small and may be seen only when closely examined. They will not affect playability or tone in any way. I do my best to eliminate them, but some seem to appear regardless. There will be a smidgen of hologram flake tastefully applied over the last fret, and is difficult to be seen without close examination in the light. This is done to authenticate an original HG Thor epoxy finish (along with a signed invoice), and helps to verify it for warranty status. Here are examples (position along the fret may vary):
Necks previously worked on may require additional labor. Sales tax applies to New York State shipments. Return shipping extra. Approximately three + weeks in-shop turn around. Three year warranty for labor and materials to cover epoxy delamination under normal use. Absolutely no refunds!
HOW TO BUY THIS SERVICE:
There is
only one person
here doing this
custom work- me! Due to the overwhelming response for this service, I have
been swamped with requests. Currently, the next available opening is approximately 12+
years. Please give me your full contact info and I will be
glad to add you to the
list (no commitment on your part). Thank you for your patience. Please
refer to the above pricing schedule for a general estimate. Details may
be discussed when
contacting me to ensure your position on
the list.
Thank you!
HG Thor Guitar Lab of Vestal, NY is a full service authorized service center for many major name brand musical instruments.
BTW; Send me your Jaco story if you have one! -HG THOR
In 1982, I had the great pleasure to meet Jaco Pastorius and his Word
Of Mouth band members at a practise space in Manhattan. I was there making a
recording with some NYC friends. After about an hour of recording I took a cigarette
break in the outer hall. There across from me was the seated and sunlit orange haired head
of Jaco himself and his mates standing around him. Nervously I approached him and
said: "Hi. You're Jaco right?" (duh...) He says: "Yah man" with
great big smile only Jaco could muster,and he introduced me to his band
members. He said they were bone-ing up for the Blue Note gig that night. I
nodded in approval with an awestruck smile only I could muster. Then he said in a very
earnest and interested way, eyes beaming at me: "So what do you play?" After recovering from
the momentary shock of having one of the greatest musicians on the planet ask
me that, I said that I play guitar, with a humble "its nothing" inflection. Quickly
changing the subject, I told him that I "really dug" his work with Weather Report
and Joni. He simply smiled and nodded. There was one of those short awkward
moments of silence when you are standing face to face with a legend that seems
like an eternity, and I took that opportunity to say "Great meeting you" to
which he responded quite careingly "Yah, you too man". That's when my legs turned
me around and I split in a gesture of giving the guy some space. That recording
of ours turned out fairly well inspired and when we were done he was
gone. I consider myself fortunate to have had this honest and pleasant encounter,
especially in the light of some of the stories that have painted him a
negative light. I know in my heart I met the real and gracious Jaco, and
any other behavior he may have allegedly displayed publicly or otherwise may have
simply been the result of a common and ironically now easily treatable condition.
His body of work is a testament to his genius and hard work, and I am honored
to offer this service which helps keep alive his unique and groundbreaking
methodology on the bass. Enjoy!
HG Thor
In 1980 I bumped into Jaco a dozen or so times at studios and venues when I lived in Redondo
Beach. At a NAMM show he invited
me to spend the day with him and his wife Ingrid. He was very intense, yet totally effusive
and generous as I quizzed him (he told me about Petits... showed me how he played stuff that
I had worked out differently etc.). I played his bass (the doom one). The neck was loose
and wobbly at the heel. One interesting
thing I noticed about him was that he always walked very, very fast and held his bass in a
stock Fender case at his side as though it didn't have a handle.
Skinny Bishop, AZ
I was playing a club, The Flying Machine, in Ft. Lauderdale back in
spring 1971. As my band was finishing our sound check a guy came up to
me (didn't introduce himself) to look at my factory-made '70 Fender
Precision fretless which I had just recently purchased. He told me he
had a fretless bass but had pulled the frets. Then my band left the
club and I didn't hear the opening band do their sound check. Coming
back a little early before our set, I met some people in the parking
lot who were coming to see the opening act, a pickup (trio) band of
local musicians. Going into the club, I went backstage and watched the
opening band from behind. Now, I realize the bass player was surely
Jaco although I didn't even know his name at the time. He even picked
up our sax and played a solo!
Gale Barchus, Kita-ku, Kyoto, Japan
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